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otw_news2007-05-31 11:17 pm
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A Question....
Has there been any consideration about age restrictions at the suggested archive?
As a long-time, multi-fandom participant and talking with another one this week over the issue at LJ and with fanlib, two things came up:
1. As long as we're paying someone else to host our things, they can decide not to host specific things. Also, people will attempt to make a profit off of us in any way possible. The best solution is to host our own site with a dedicated server than can house us all.
2. We were talking and we both agreed that if there was a multi-fandom fanfiction hub, we wouldn't want it to be along the lines of ff.net. Everyone I know cringes when a news source goes to ff.net to talk about the "fandom phenomenon". That said, admitting fic.'s based on quality is tricky and subjective. If we create something, for ourselves, then I hope that we would both cover ourselves legally and present ourselves professionally. There is a legal issue involving minors and NC-17 material than can only really be remedied by not allowing minors. The easiest solution seems to be creating a panfandom archive for underage readers either in association with or as part of the larger archive, requiring a age statement to sign up and logged-in-only access to adult material. Also, if there are no underage readers allowed, then there is less likelihood of creating another ff.net.
I know that this will probably not be a popular opinion. I know that many people in fandom, particularly on LJ are underage and "passing" or "socking" in order to read adult material. I'm not saying that some underage readers cannot handle adult material or aren't already participating in adult activities; however, from a legal standpoint, it seems more responsible to take precautions.
Additionally, in light of the recent LJ events, it's obvious that much of what gets archives, websites, journals and fic.'s shut down is a perceived danger to the "childrenz". If this is a site by adults, for adults it's less likely to come under that sort of negative fire. After all, we're going to have to deal with the legal ramifications of intellectual property and copyright laws already.
I'm truly not trying to rock the boat or ignore the many and important contributions of underage fans to fandom. I'm just trying to ascertain how the issues of liability will be dealt with.
As a long-time, multi-fandom participant and talking with another one this week over the issue at LJ and with fanlib, two things came up:
1. As long as we're paying someone else to host our things, they can decide not to host specific things. Also, people will attempt to make a profit off of us in any way possible. The best solution is to host our own site with a dedicated server than can house us all.
2. We were talking and we both agreed that if there was a multi-fandom fanfiction hub, we wouldn't want it to be along the lines of ff.net. Everyone I know cringes when a news source goes to ff.net to talk about the "fandom phenomenon". That said, admitting fic.'s based on quality is tricky and subjective. If we create something, for ourselves, then I hope that we would both cover ourselves legally and present ourselves professionally. There is a legal issue involving minors and NC-17 material than can only really be remedied by not allowing minors. The easiest solution seems to be creating a panfandom archive for underage readers either in association with or as part of the larger archive, requiring a age statement to sign up and logged-in-only access to adult material. Also, if there are no underage readers allowed, then there is less likelihood of creating another ff.net.
I know that this will probably not be a popular opinion. I know that many people in fandom, particularly on LJ are underage and "passing" or "socking" in order to read adult material. I'm not saying that some underage readers cannot handle adult material or aren't already participating in adult activities; however, from a legal standpoint, it seems more responsible to take precautions.
Additionally, in light of the recent LJ events, it's obvious that much of what gets archives, websites, journals and fic.'s shut down is a perceived danger to the "childrenz". If this is a site by adults, for adults it's less likely to come under that sort of negative fire. After all, we're going to have to deal with the legal ramifications of intellectual property and copyright laws already.
I'm truly not trying to rock the boat or ignore the many and important contributions of underage fans to fandom. I'm just trying to ascertain how the issues of liability will be dealt with.
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Hell, far from being disturbed, I think being exposed to fandom from the age of twelve probably saved me from all sorts of self-hatred by providing me with somewhere where sex and gay people weren't seen as, you know. Evil. Which is probably not an argument that'll get us anywhere with the "protect the children!" folk, but it does make me feel rather strongly about letting the underagers have access, even if it's just the "don't ask, don't tell" method that underage fans have been using for years.
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Yeah, this was a factor for me too. And I really think that fandom contributes to the sexual revolution in that sense, a real awareness of sexuality as a spectrum rather than as absolutes. Fandom is good for kids! I mean, ideally I would like fandom en masse to be able to say, look, the sexuality of under-18s as it pertains to fanfic is none of our business and people that are ready for it will find it and people that aren't will avoid it - which is my opinion based on observing the younger family members I have who read fanfiction as well as my own experiences. But I recognise that this is just not a perspective that everyone would find acceptable, even within fandom, and the non-fannish would be asking me where my Earth logic was, so. *shrug* People have to cover their asses.
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Agreed :D.
But I recognise that this is just not a perspective that everyone would find acceptable, even within fandom, and the non-fannish would be asking me where my Earth logic was, so. *shrug* People have to cover their asses.
As always, sadly, the world we imagine isn't the one we live in :(. I agree that sexuality isn't something you magically wake up with when you turn 18, it's something that is part of who you are, in my opinion, from birth. It's a bit ludicrous to say you can't have or be aware of your sexuality until you're an adult, but for some reason, that's how we act. :/