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Kristen Murphy ([personal profile] kristenmurphy) wrote in [community profile] otw_news2011-11-03 06:51 am

Brainstorming for a more inclusive OTW

Over the past few months, the OTW Board has been brainstorming about how to promote diversity and inclusiveness throughout the OTW and its projects. This has meant evaluating the status of many diversity-related projects already in process to see how we may help them along, as well as exploring new ideas intended to promote the growth of diversity as our mission and aims further develop.

Diversity is an important part of the OTW's mission to "serve the interests of fans by providing access to and preserving the history of fanworks and fan culture in its myriad forms." With members in 23 countries and more than 7,500 fandoms represented on the AO3, we're already serving fans from a wide variety of backgrounds; we want to make sure we are serving them well, and that we're building an organization that is welcoming and responsive to them and to others who may use our services in the future. Diversity enriches the OTW as well. A large and diverse pool of volunteers, members, and supporters is crucial to the OTW's long-term sustainability. Incorporating multiple points of view into decision-making processes helps us to more fully consider the potential impacts of our actions and create a better product, whether that product is a website or an outreach or advocacy effort.

One of the measures we have agreed upon is to work toward increased transparency, including in the early stages of projects. In that spirit, we've compiled this list of ideas — several of them inspired by earlier public feedback — that arose in our brainstorming sessions. Some of these ideas are already being implemented, while others will take planning and time to bear fruit. The list is far from an exhaustive answer to the question, "how can we make the OTW more diverse and inclusive?", but it is a beginning, and we intend to keep working on it.

A quick note on outreach. We are trying to balance between our desire to reach out, make our projects available to more fans, and actively seek input so that we can understand what more fans want and need; and the realities that our time and energy are limited, and we don’t want to be intrusive. We would like for communities which aren’t currently using the OTW’s projects to learn about them and to enjoy them, but we’re aware that presenting our projects in communities where we’re not yet known might come across as presumptuous rather than inviting. We hope to recruit more ambassadors who are willing to represent OTW projects in their own fannish communities; if this might be you, please let us know.

We welcome your feedback on these ideas and any other suggestions you may have. We cannot promise to act on all suggestions. However, we will read and consider all the feedback we receive, and we'll continue to share our progress with you as we work to make the OTW and its projects more inclusive of fans from a diverse range of backgrounds and fannish communities.


  • Actively prioritize and consider the potential diversity-related impact of initiatives and decisions.

  • Encourage initiatives such as the forthcoming OTW community survey (discussed in this recent Symposium post) to help us plan strategically by identifying areas of need and potential resources for addressing them.

  • Increase transparency about the work of the OTW Board by posting first-hand accounts by Board members in the OTW blog. (This would supplement our existing series of Spotlight posts that highlight the work of various committees and volunteer teams.)

  • Offer public "open house" chats to take questions and feedback, and open training sessions to increase awareness of volunteer opportunities within the OTW. (This has recently been implemented; see, for example, this transcript from a session on AO3 coding and challenges.)

  • Invite a series of fans from various communities (fandoms, countries, online platforms, etc.) to host public brainstorming sessions about how the OTW can best serve those communities.

  • Related to the previous point: Publicly solicit suggestions about how/where to do outreach to fandoms where we could be of help.

  • Encourage wider-ranging communication within the OTW by creating an internal discussion forum where staff and volunteers can talk about broad issues that affect the organization but aren’t necessarily part of their daily work. This could also function as a social space to encourage community-building across committees. (This has been implemented.)

Archive of Our Own (AO3)

  • Redesign the "Post New Work" interface to better accommodate diverse types of fanworks: images, video, audio, text, etc. (This is currently in progress.)

  • Develop fan art hosting capabilities. (This is currently in progress; we recently solicited public feedback on our draft content policies for artwork.)

  • Translate the AO3 interface into multiple languages. (One of our coders is currently working with the Translation committee to build this functionality.)

  • Improve the AO3's functionality for browsing works by language. (This is in progress. At present, you can find works in particular languages via the Languages page or by using the drop-down filter on works pages.)

  • Redesign the display of meta information to clarify the relationship between a translated work and the work of which it is a translation. (This is in progress.)

  • Improve the visual design of the AO3 to appeal to a broader range of fans, and encourage fans to submit public skins that reflect their fannish aesthetics. (This is in progress. The skins system is currently being redesigned; once that's done it will be much easier for users to submit public skins. The possibility of a skin-designing challenge is under consideration.)

  • Establish an official forum where AO3 users can brainstorm about desired features and interact as a community. (This is the most tentative item on the list. We don’t yet know whether it’s feasible, but we include it here because several users have suggested it and we want to let them know their suggestion has been heard.)


  • Recruit staff and volunteers who can help us do outreach to fan communities which are currently underrepresented on Fanlore. (This is an ongoing effort; please see the recruitment post if you are interested in volunteering.)

  • Implement a Fanlore wiki forum, where users can ask questions, find answers, introduce themselves and meet one another. (This was suggested in the comments to a post on the Fanlore dreamwidth community; it's currently under discussion.)

Transformative Works and Cultures (TWC)

Fan Video and Multimedia

  • Explicitly encourage inclusivity of a broad range of fannish traditions, such as fan art, vids, anime music videos, political remixes, fan films, fan trailers, machinima, podfic and audiobooks, and others, in our fan video and multimedia projects. To this end, we've recently revised and expanded the fan video section of our website, and the Vidding committee is working with International Outreach to invite fan creators from diverse communities and traditions to embed their works at the AO3.

If you have questions or feedback about this list, or if you have other suggestions to offer, please leave a comment. If you're interested in volunteering with the OTW, please contact Volunteers & Recruiting. Thank you!

Mirrored from an original post on the OTW blog, where it is also available in Español.
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[personal profile] copracat 2011-11-03 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
Actively prioritize and consider the potential diversity-related impact of initiatives and decisions.

\0/ Thank you.

Establish an official forum where AO3 users can brainstorm about desired features and interact as a community.

This is a great idea. The ad hoc Gdoc 'forum' worked really well with Pinboard and cemented a great relationship between that org and fan users, even though Pinboard said no, not ever to a bunch of things that fan users wanted. It's a step towards OTW having conversations with members and project users (AO3, Fanlore, perhaps TWC etc) rather than the predominantly broadcast method you use now.

If you wonder what I mean by broadcast method, just look at this journal, otw-news: it has more entries than comments received. That's just not fannish!
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-11-03 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Establish an official forum where AO3 users can brainstorm about desired features and interact as a community.

I'd love to have this. As a user, I find it more frustrating to deal with things which don't work for me and I'd like to see improved or changed when everything's done behind closed doors and I don't know what's a known issue, what's planned and not planned and why. It also put me off making suggestions or reporting bugs.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-11-05 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
For the time being, you can find the Known Issues list here.

Thanks for your answer. I know this but it only lists the major issues, and only things which are really bugs rather than general issues.
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[personal profile] jennyst 2011-11-04 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
To add to this from an AO3 point of view, for those who are more technical, we have our Google Code bug tracker public - that's our equivalent of Dreamwidth's Bugzilla, whereas the Known Issues is aimed at people sending in support requests.

But we don't have any equivalent of [site community profile] dw_suggestions, which I think is the key bit we're missing, and we'll hopefully be adding something more like that after the Support Board. At the moment it's all on the internal wiki, and cleaning that up is a major task, that [personal profile] samjohnsson has been doing sterling work on.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-11-05 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for your answer. I think I'd seen the bug tracker before but, as someone whose fairly active on DW as a dev and support person, I really don't want to get into this one too so I just skimmed and scanned once I think. ;)

*nods* This sound like really good news. May I ask how do you get users' input and prioritize things with the current system? I must say it's a bit hard to see how we can have an impact and whether this is something the OTW wants and, if so, to which extent but I'm not involved at all so my vision of the situation isn't really great.

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[personal profile] branchandroot 2011-11-03 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Invite a series of fans from various communities (fandoms, countries, online platforms, etc.) to host public brainstorming sessions about how the OTW can best serve those communities.

This especially. Insiders know the rules of their own communities, and will know how to best present such a "town meeting" without sounding predatory, twee, or boring.

Additional point re AO3: The one thing that's going to let AO3 expand to usefully serve a wide diversity of fandoms? MAKE TAG WRANGLING AVAILABLE TO FRONT END USERS. I have been saying this for freaking /years/ now, will someone please listen! Tag wrangling by hand and in the background, done only by volunteers who have to jump through hoops and abide by someone else's control-freak task flow is going to kill the archive. Yes, we need some wranglers to make the parent/canonical tags for new fandoms, but after that? Every user should be able to associate her/his own story tags to the parent tags! It needs to be way more automated!

Otherwise, the archive is going to groan to a halt, bogged down in all the wonderful and diverse fandoms that /don't have wranglers/. Several of the most active anime fandoms are already suffering from this problem, and it jams the works for all the rest of the filtering and searching. And when people notice that their fandoms aren't being attended to, they'll leave. It's not hard for a writer to see when her/his fandoms are taking last place to the /founders/ precious fandoms, and all the outreach in the world won't change that.

And, when you get right down to it, this was supposed to be a software package that other groups and people could implement, right? Well, leaving all the wrangling manual is going to kill that deader than dead.

All-manual wrangling is the single biggest limiting factor on the growth of AO3. Will the various board members please wake up and realize that, just because their personal fandoms are being nicely wrangled, doesn't mean everything is actually working! If they want AO3 to really, truly be more than their own personal playground, then it's time to get some thumbs out and realize that the current structure is /already/ not working for everyone else. And this while the archive is still relatively tiny. Does anyone honestly think the wrangler shortage is going to get /better/? *makes a derisive sound*

I'm someone who does post her work to AO3, and links people there, and talks it up, and betas, and I'm still this pissed off and unimpressed. Now. Think about how people from my ends of fandom who don't have that investment are going to feel, listening to someone say they're welcome and /seeing/ that they're second class citizens. It isn't just the political structure that needs to change here. It's also the engineering choices that that political structure made based on its own short-sightedness.
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[personal profile] ane 2011-11-03 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Which of the wrangerless anime fandoms do you think need immediate help? I could do some emergency wrangling for them.

I occasionally check the anime/manga fandoms to see if any of the ones that I know are wranglerless, which is how I acquired Black Butler a while ago, but I haven't checked the list recently.

I primarily wrangle DC Comics and I'll occasionally check the smaller DCU fandoms that don't have wranglers to make sure things look ok. I don't know if there are other wranglers who temporarily take a fandom to get it straightened out without making the commitment to keep it. I'll admit that I wrangle several DCU fandoms not because I know them well or are even interested in them, but because they have enough stories that I feel that someone should pay attention to them.

Maybe something we need is a small team of wranglers for each media type who commit to check fandoms that don't have wranglers occasionally to do emergency wrangling.
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[personal profile] branchandroot 2011-11-03 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Naruto was the last one I particularly noticed. The Relationship tags are a mess.

As a stopgap, having a pinch-hitting team will undoubtedly help. That won't fix the base problem, though, whereas a user-facing interface that lets users wrangle their own tags will. I really, really hope that people are thinking seriously about how to make that happen. The flexibility of the AO3 tagging system is a wonderful thing, but to keep growing the archive needs to start planning for drive-by and author's-own wrangling to a significant degree.

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[personal profile] franzeska 2011-11-14 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe something we need is a small team of wranglers for each media type who commit to check fandoms that don't have wranglers occasionally to do emergency wrangling.

That's an interesting idea to have official teams. This is already something I do regularly on my own, and I know a number of other wranglers and staff do as well. I think I last rotated through the various media categories maybe a month ago, so the majority of unclaimed fandoms should be in ok shape. (However, that still leaves claimed fandoms and the occasional one with few works and a lot of really confusing tags that I can't handle.)
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[personal profile] branchandroot 2011-11-03 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods* I do think that staffing and design are deeply intertwined, for the archive. And I know that a significant change in the interface will take some time. But we /need to be starting/. Wrangler burn-out is not going to stop being a problem until some of the insane burden is taken off the volunteers. This is fandom! It's not like people aren't ready and willing to make their own corners neater and better! There just needs to be a far more automated and less intimidating way for passers-by to contribute.

Adding a "would you like to associate your tags?" step to the posting interface would not be that hard; a lot of the infrastructure is in place already. A "wrangle some tags?" button would not be hard to add to the fandom Works lists, and all that interface page needs is a dropdown of parent tags and a dropdown of unwrangled tags, divided into Character and Relationship. I do programming like that myself, for sites I design, and I'm a little, bitty, no-frills programmer who has to look up the SQL vocabulary every time. (And if the archive had been written in PHP instead of Ruby, there would be a lot more people like me who'd be willing to take a crack at a little bug here and there.)

I'm not saying we need to get rid of all wanglers. The freeform tags will always need people willing to bang their heads against schema and categorization for the good of fandom. But they shouldn't be as burdened as they are with the little stuff that half the authors and half the readers would be willing to chip in on now and then.

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[personal profile] francescacoppa 2011-11-04 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)

I'll see if I can find a technical person to reply, but my understanding is that--like, picture if someone wrangled your favorite fandom to the tag: "sucks." Like, most people would probably be responsible? but if 1 percent weren't - or .01 percent - the consequences and the corruption to the database could be pretty horrible. Imagine drive by anti-fanfic trolls. Hence there needs to be some kind of registration/control here.

There was a lot of consulting done about tags in the design stage, and this is by far the best practice for now. (That may change as technology develops, but it is the best of the current options!) Right now, automated wrangling isn't successful; the other option is the delicious one where the tags don't ever actually match up, but there are clouds of communities around different tags.

So while I totally hear your frustration about this, it's really not the case that the board never thought about it. It is just the best of a series of bad options at the moment. (Also, of course, this was a decision made in favor actually of diversity: we could have had only a standard set of tags and not allowed you to tag your stories as you wanted. So this was how we engineered it so people could call their stories what they wanted.)
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[personal profile] elz 2011-11-04 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the performance issues that Kristen and Jenny mentioned above are a real concern, but they're not insurmountable - we could tweak those pages if they needed to be publicly accessible. It would still be a pretty significant undertaking, but we could do it given the time and resources. How to control for vandalism is a bigger problem: I've been keeping an eye on how Stack Overflow has developed their tagging system over the years, since they have some similar challenges. You can see an example here: They use their reputation system and the tags that you've actually worked with yourself to determine your level of wrangling privilege and they also allow voting to act as a control.

It's tricky stuff! I think we rewrote the whole tag system from the ground up three or four times in the early days of closed beta, and we've redone all of tag wrangling a few times since then, and from the tech end, we do keep our ears to the ground to see if there's anything we can offer people to help improve the process. Input and discussion are always good, though!
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[personal profile] branchandroot 2011-11-04 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
*dryly* I would not suggest turning the tags into an open wiki, no. Registered-users-only makes perfect sense. The hoop-jumping required to volunteer does not make a sensible limiter for this particular function.

*takes a slow breath* I'm not talking about "automated" as in "scrape Wikipedia for the character names", here. I'm talking about a lot of what the posting page is finally starting to do: offering character and relationship canonical tags from the entered fandom(s). If a theoretical "associate your non-canonical tag" function offered a dropdown of canonicals for the fandom in question, which it seems is already possible, then I'd say it becomes reasonable to require the poster to associate any non-canonicals, with checkbox for "new canonical, please create".

And please do not elide "diversity" with "call it what you want". Those are two very different things, and I'm afraid I feel it's a little disingenuous to try to conflate the two.
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[personal profile] autumnus 2011-11-07 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)

I'll see if I can find a technical person to reply, but my understanding is that--like, picture if someone wrangled your favorite fandom to the tag: "sucks."

Wikipedia deals with this through several strategies without having to resort to 1 person per topic. It is easier to let people wrangle on the drive. It allow more democracy into it, and takes the pressure of a wrangler eaten by real life and so forth. Current wrangler volunteers can become more of a moderators with chance to shut up wrangling from a rare individual seeking to harm the system or elevating the credentials required for tag wranglers for items that gets changed back and forth in a fight and so forth.

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(Anonymous) 2011-11-18 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the original commenter's point is that tag wrangling done by wranglers only is no longer the best practice. I think that many people have been calling for a review of tag wrangling because it needs to be overhauled. I think that no one is saying tag wranglers are bad, or that the idea of tags as they exist is terrible. I think that a lot of people are saying that the wranglers are overworked, look to get more overworked in the future, that the personnel needs are going to expand as the Archive gets more stories, and that AD&T needs to review tag wrangling and overhaul it before tags get even more broken and unworkable.

I don't think asking for a review of tag practices while the site is in the middle of beta is asking for too much. I do think "while I hear your frustration" and "this is by far the best practice for now" is an easy answer, but one that's not going to lead to the Archive being sustainable in the long run.
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[personal profile] xparrot 2011-11-04 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! Tag Wrangling committee staff-person here.

First off, very sorry about those fandoms that are behind in wrangling! You're right that the anime/manga fandoms especially don't always get as much attention as they deserve - we have a number of wranglers in those fandoms (I'm an animanga fan myself) but wranglers do broadly match the general Archive demographics, so there aren't as many as in some other areas, and some of the larger fandoms do fall behind. They're also some of the more complex and time-consuming fandoms to wrangle, due to the translation issues (often new tags can't just be canonized but new canonicals must be made, to make sure that they match the format of existing canonicals in terms of name order, transliteration, etc.)

Now, for the rest. FWIW, I entirely agree that the currently wrangling system is not perfect. It does put a lot of burdens on wrangling volunteers, and even when we're all working hard fandoms still fall through the crack, causing a very frustrating experience for users, as you've seen for yourself. And it would relieve some of that burden if regular users could contribute to wrangling. However, at least as the system is currently arranged, a user-run system would be even more imperfect.

The major problem with letting users wrangle their own tags is that, given the way the Archive handles tags, no one's tags actually belong to themselves. You may be the first person to use a tag on the Archive, but nothing stops other people from tagging their work with that same tag. So to allow a user to wrangle their tags would automatically be giving users the ability to wrangle other people's tags as well. The reason the wrangling committee exists is because it was decided that it was preferable to give this authority to a dedicated team with clear oversight, rather than having a free-for-all where in any user can interfere with anyone else's tags.

Limiting users to only wrangling characters and relationships, and limiting their ability to just associating tags to existing canonicals, would curtail the worst problems, but it would still be giving users a degree of control over other peoples' tags which could be abused, or more likely used incorrectly. Putting aside deliberately malicious wrangling, accidental mis-wrangling is a problem even among trained wranglers. Problems range from anything from assigning a book fandom to the movie adaption (reasonable in some cases, not so much in others), to matching the ambiguous "John" to "John Sheppard" (and then any user who tags "John" meaning John Watson gets confused as to why they can't find Sherlock's partner) to the redirecting of "Subspace" to "Space Travel" (and great thanks to the user who pointed that mistake out!)

Additionally, speaking as a long-time wrangler, associating new tags to existing canonical tags is not only the fastest and easiest part of a wrangler's job, but also one of the smallest parts. The bulk of the work is making new canonicals; the vast majority of new tags added to the Archive every day do not map to any existing canonicals. So, while allowing users to make such associations would take a little load off wranglers, it would make barely a dent in the majority of the work.

We are hoping that in the future there will be more ways for users to control their tags (the new tag set feature is a step in that direction) and for users to contribute to wrangling without volunteering as a wrangler themselves - easier ways to comment on tags, for instance; perhaps even a feature where users could suggest potential wrangling and wranglers could automatically approve them, thus taking some of the burden off wranglers, while still making sure that users cannot make an unauthorized mess of another user's tags. The system as it stands can definitely be improved, and rest assured we wranglers want it to be as much as you do! But any alterations are going to take time to be implemented, as with everything on the Archive.

In the meantime, speaking as a wrangler, please do contact support whenever you do notice problems like a fandom going unwrangled - even if the greater problem still looms, we can at least toss a bucket on the small fires!

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[personal profile] tiyire 2011-11-07 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
Wheee, a news post where people are actually leaving comments! Can we do that more often? I would love to discuss otw news, but atm it feels like an announcement comm. (Maybe I could start, but I´m shy.)

My very favorite part of the OTW is Fanlore, and as a Fanlore editor since a few months ago I have lots of things I want to talk about.

Recruit staff and volunteers who can help us do outreach to fan communities which are currently underrepresented on Fanlore. (This is an ongoing effort; please see the recruitment post if you are interested in volunteering.)

To be honest, I´m annoyed that apparently fanlore editors are not considered volunteers. I regularly spend many hours on Fanlore pages, why is this not volunteering? Is there a shiny elite club of people vetted by Volcom somewhere? And I have almost no idea about the levels of volunteering Fanlore has: there are gardeners, basically editors with more powers, and there´s the committee, where people make the decisions. I don´t know what the committee is doing at the moment (except being very helpful and nice when one has questions.)

Implement a Fanlore wiki forum, where users can ask questions, find answers, introduce themselves and meet one another. (This was suggested in the comments to a post on the Fanlore dreamwidth community; it's currently under discussion.)

There´s a discussion? Fantastic! Where is this discussion happening?! How can I join in? Where is the place to discuss the good/bad things, what are the potentials problems and concerns, where can I say why I think this is a good idea, or offer help, or just squee with others that there is a discussion happening?

For the record, I would love to have a wiki because I would love to have a community of Fanlore editors. Apparently other volunteer committees have such things, and actual regular communication? We have a chat room that is almost always empty, and the few times I managed to "meet" people there were a lot of fun and did a lot to make me more enthusiastic about editing. We also have a dw comm that is empty most of the time; but the few times when the committe asked for opinions on e.g. policy changes, there was a lively discussion, so the potential is definitely there. But I don´t think a dw comm is inclusive enough for all fanlore editors.

Btw, this post wasn´t linked in the Fanlore news section, so many editors probably never saw it and can´t offer their own opinions and ideas.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2011-11-07 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
As far as I can tell (not an OTW member and not a Fanlore editor anymore), Fanlore editors are considered users who provide content, like the authors using AO3, not as volunteers with a voice in shaping the wiki. I've made the decision to quit last year from wiki editing after this policy post from the board (which was in response to this post of mine in the fanlore comm and some discussion there which are not visible anymore with the DW way of freezing), that made finally clear to me some fundamental differences between my idea of what I had imagined a wiki as a group project to be and how much I had hoped I would be allowed to participate in shaping things in dialog with other fans, and the OTW's idea of running the wiki, which wasn't our wiki after all as I had thought, but *their* wiki.
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[personal profile] rbarenblat 2011-11-07 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi [personal profile] tiyire; along with [personal profile] aethel I'm the co-chair of the wiki committee, and I wanted to chime in with some responses to your comment.

The language of "volunteers" and "staffers" and "editors" is a bit confusing, but here's the basic gist. Anyone who edits the wiki is, by definition, an editor (and we thank you for giving the wiki your time and energy!) Fanlore editors are awesome; without people who care enough to add and edit pages, there would be no wiki.

We're always looking for more folks who want to join the OTW wiki committee; committee members are considered org staffers, and have access to Basecamp, the project management software used by all of the different groups across the OTW. If you are interested in joining the wiki committee or in volunteering for the OTW in general, the thing to do is to contact our Volunteers & Recruiting committee, which you can do here:

As far as what the wiki committee is currently doing, you can get a decent sense by reading our latest update in the latest org newsletter, here:

Re: the idea of a Fanlore wiki forum, that was suggested to us in the comments on a post on the [community profile] fanlore comm; it's currently under discussion among members the wiki committee (it's on the agenda for tonight's meeting, in fact.) But you raise a good point that before we implement anything like that, we'd want to talk about it publicly, get a sense for people's thoughts on the pros and cons, problems and concerns, etc. We'll post about that on the Fanlore dw comm when we have something to report.

I hope this is helpful! Please feel free to ask follow-up questions if you have them.

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[personal profile] tiyire - 2011-11-07 20:22 (UTC) - Expand
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[identity profile] 2011-11-08 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
To be honest, I´m annoyed that apparently fanlore editors are not considered volunteers.

For what it's worth, I do consider Fanlore editors volunteers. It would be silly not to, after all, they do all the work! Fanlore would be nothing without its editors. When people talk about the zine project, they say it like it's an official OTW project when it's actually the work of mostly one editor (who isn't a staffer or even a volunteer in OTW terminology, but who has probably made half of all Fanlore edits in total) with the help of a second editor.

I don´t know what the committee is doing at the moment (except being very helpful and nice when one has questions.)

I think helping the editors is what the committee is there for. :) It's one of the reasons why I joined the committee.

There´s a discussion? Fantastic! Where is this discussion happening?!

Late, last night (well, it was in the middle of the night for me), we talked about it in a meeting. We joked that we are doing our own thing anyway and that the quickest way to get a forum would probably be if some fan just created a fan forum, which then wouldn't be an OTW forum and could have its own rules, etc. and we would then link it from Fanlore. Which would actually be my preferred way because I'm no friend of excessive formalities and Fanlore is probably the least formal part of this particular fannish playground anyway. ^^ We went out of that meeting with the plan to ask volunteers if someone had experience with maintaining a forum, ask communications if it would be a terribly bad idea, check on our friendslists if we know someone who could run a forum, and then gather again to make a fanlore post to get a discussion started and to gather opinions, ideas for different approaches, suggestions, and maybe (if we are very lucky), find people who wouldn't mind running a forum.

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[personal profile] boundbooks 2011-11-18 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
A thought:

Homestuck is a pretty big fandom which apparently relies on special colors to distinguish dialogue. There used to be a skin for Homestuck stories on AO3 which allowed people do that special kind of coding.

When the new skins went up, there was no Homestuck skin. I would suggest that a new skin be made for the Homestuck fandom to use with the new CSS changes.
zooey_glass: (OTW: AO3 logo)

[personal profile] zooey_glass 2011-11-19 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, the Homestuck skin is a work skin - those are unaffected by the changes so it's still there and still usable - at least it should be! Let Support know if it is wonky!

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